Piper PA-28R-201 and amateur-built JODEL F-12 accident near Red Hook, New York, March 31, 1985
On March 31, 1985 at about 3:50 pm local time, 2 aircraft, Piper PA-28R-201 (N2263Q) and amateur-built JODEL F-12 (N5700), were involved in the same accident near Red Hook, New York (Skypark airport). No one was hurt; 4 people were on board or involved. The weather was visual conditions (good weather).
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The NTSB's probable cause their words, unchanged
The NTSB has not yet published a probable cause for this accident. Investigations usually take one to two years; this page updates when the final report is released.
Source: NTSB aviation accident database, copy made October 4, 2026. Docket and reports at the NTSB.
What the record shows
- Date
- March 31, 1985 · about 3:50 pm local time
- Place
- Red Hook, New York · Skypark · map
- Type
- Accident
- Injuries
- No one was hurt; 4 people were on board or involved.
- Weather
- visual conditions (good weather)
- Aircraft 1
- Piper PA-28R-201 · all PA-28R-201s on the register
- Registration
- N2263Q · registry record · serial 28R7737030
- Damage
- Substantial damage
- Flight
- Personal flight · general aviation rules (Part 91)
- Aircraft 2
- Amateur-built JODEL F-12
- Registration
- N5700 · registry record · serial F7077
- Damage
- Substantial damage
- Flight
- Personal flight · general aviation rules (Part 91)
The NTSB's narrative for the Piper PA-28R-201 final · quoted from the NTSB record
DURING FLT, A PIPER PA-32R-201, N2263Q, & A BAINBRIDGE JODEL F-12, N5700, ENCOUNTERED STRUCTURAL ICING CONDITIONS. THE WINDSHIELDS OF BOTH ACFT BECAME COVERED WITH ICE WHICH RESTRICTED THE FORWARD VISIBILITY OF THE OCCUPANTS IN BOTH ACFT. N5700 LANDED 1ST. THE PLT OF N5700 TURNED HIS ACFT AROUND & WAS TAXIING ON THE RWY WHEN THE PLT OF N2263Q WAS LANDING. WITHIN SECONDS AFTER N2263Q TOUCHED DOWN, THE 2 ACFT COLLIDED. THE PLT OF N2263Q REPORTED THAT HIS PASSENGER, WHO WAS ALSO A PILOT, MADE THE APPROAPRIATE RADIO CALLS IN THE TRAFFIC PATTERN. THE PLT OF N5700 REPORTED THAT HE REMOVED HIS HEADSET AFTER LANDING SO HE COULD GET HIS HEAD AGAINST THE SIDE WINDOW FOR BETTER VISION WHILE TAXIING.
The complete narrative as the NTSB published it. The NTSB's docket holds the report as a PDF and any photographs, statements and other documents from the investigation.
The NTSB's narrative for the amateur-built JODEL F-12 final · quoted from the NTSB record
DURING FLT, A PIPER PA-32R-201, N2263Q, & A BAINBRIDGE JODEL F-12, N5700, ENCOUNTERED STRUCTURAL ICING CONDITIONS. THE WINDSHIELDS OF BOTH ACFT BECAME COVERED WITH ICE WHICH RESTRICTED THE FORWARD VISIBILITY OF THE OCCUPANTS IN BOTH ACFT. N5700 LANDED 1ST. THE PLT OF N5700 TURNED HIS ACFT AROUND & WAS TAXIING ON THE RWY WHEN THE PLT OF N2263Q WAS LANDING. WITHIN SECONDS AFTER N2263Q TOUCHED DOWN, THE 2 ACFT COLLIDED. THE PLT OF N2263Q REPORTED THAT HIS PASSENGER, WHO WAS ALSO A PILOT, MADE THE APPROPRIATE RADIO CALLS IN THE TRAFFIC PATTERN. THE PLT OF N5700 REPORTED THAT HE REMOVED HIS HEADSET AFTER LANDING SO HE COULD GET HIS HEAD AGAINST THE SIDE WINDOW FOR BETTER VISION WHILE TAXIING.
The complete narrative as the NTSB published it. The NTSB's docket holds the report as a PDF and any photographs, statements and other documents from the investigation.
The factual record for the Piper PA-28R-201 from the NTSB's investigation tables, in plain English
Pilot
- Certificate: private
- Ratings: single-engine land
- Flight time: 514 hours in all; 263 in this make and model; 11 in the last 90 days; 304 as pilot in command
- Medical certificate: Class 3 (valid medical--w/ waivers/lim.)
- Seat: left
The aircraft
- Airframe total time: 2,459 hours
- Last inspection: annual inspection, September 4, 1984; 28 hours since
- Maximum gross weight: 2,750 lb
- Seats: 4
- Landing gear: retractable
- Engine: Lycoming IO-360-C1C6 (piston); 0 hours total
- Operator: Red Hook Air Service
The flight
- Flight plan: none
- Runway 1, 2,666 ft by 30 ft
Weather at the time
- Light: daylight
- Wind: from 260° at 11 knots
- Visibility: 7 statute miles
- Sky: overcast at 2,800 ft; not recorded at 2,800 ft
- Temperature: 36°F (2°C), dew point 28°F (-2°C)
- Altimeter: 30.00 inHg
- Observation at 9:50 pm from POU, 24 miles away
Injuries
| Fatal | Serious | Minor | None | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Crew | 1 | |||
| Passengers | 1 |
The factual record for the amateur-built JODEL F-12 from the NTSB's investigation tables, in plain English
Pilot
- Certificate: private
- Ratings: single-engine land
- Flight time: 1,330 hours in all; 120 in this make and model; 2 in the last 90 days; 1,164 as pilot in command
- Medical certificate: Class 3 (valid medical--w/ waivers/lim.)
- Seat: left
The aircraft
- Airframe total time: 423 hours
- Last inspection: 100-hour inspection, July 1, 1984; 10 hours since
- Maximum gross weight: 2,600 lb
- Seats: 2
- Landing gear: fixed
- Engine: Lycoming O-290-DL (piston); 0 hours total
The flight
- Flight plan: none
- Runway 1, 2,666 ft by 30 ft
Injuries
| Fatal | Serious | Minor | None | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Crew | 1 | |||
| Passengers | 1 |
About this page
Everything above comes from the NTSB's public accident database: the narrative, probable cause and findings are the NTSB's own words, and the coded tables behind its report (pilot, aircraft, flight, weather, injuries, sequence of events) are written out in plain English. Pilots' ages, home towns and medical details are left out on purpose. The docket at the NTSB holds the report as a PDF and the investigation's photographs and documents. This site never names pilots, passengers or anyone else involved. A preliminary report describes what is known soon after the event and can change; the final report, with the probable cause, usually follows one to two years later and this page is refreshed when it does. Case number NYC85LA094.